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#1 2017-01-12 16:43:48

David
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1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Hallo,

I am thinking of buying a 1934 Austin 10 saloon but it doesn't have any bumpers (front or rear). The vendor is of the opinion that were offered as an extra ?

Is this wishful thinking on his part? If I go ahead with the purchase, what's the chance of getting a set of bumpers and at approximately what cost?

Thank you in advance for all replies

#2 2017-01-12 20:30:21

691_Richard_Ridlington
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Hi David,

As far as I'm aware bumpers came as standard and not an 'extra'. I think the seller might be telling a little 'porky'.

They are often offered on eBay and also there are at least two companies who are very helpful when it comes to Austin spares:

Austins of Old Arley
Alderton Austin Services Ltd.

Both have web sites with their contact details.

As far as cost is concerned you will need to ascertain this when you inquire but if they need to be re-chromed this can be quite expensive.

If you go ahead and make the purchase consider joining the Club not only for the benefit of a discount on spares but also for the help that is available if you have a problem and possibly a meeting of members close by depending on where you stay.

Regards,

Richard.

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#3 2017-01-12 20:52:10

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

691_Richard_Ridlington wrote:

As far as I'm aware bumpers came as standard and not an 'extra'. I think the seller might be telling a little 'porky'.

David
Richard is right the only 10s which did not have bumpers were vans. If the car lacks them you should negotiate a discount on the asking price!

The correct bumper will depend on the age of the car - 1934 chrome-rads (flat radiator model) had double spring bumpers but without the fluting seen on the 1932-33 models - a single span across the front abd quarter bumpers at the read. 1934 cowled rads (Lichfield style) had a single blade bumpers.
For pictures of the style see this site Cars - 10hp - Dating Tens
http://www.austintendriversclub.com/car … ad-image-8
Peter W

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#4 2017-01-12 23:55:49

594_Phil_Taylor
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

David,
There is nothing like a pedant!! That's me. Sorry, Peter.
The late Sept/Oct 1933 Austin 10/4 Brochure number 1061A, showing all the 1934 chrome radiator models up to August 1934, states that the Fixed Head 10/4 saloon (as opposed to the De Luxe Saloon) does not have 'bumpers front and rear', 'chromium plated dip and switch head lights', no sun visor, ' upholstered in leather cloth or wool rep.' (whatever that means!), no spare wheel cover and had 4.00-19 Dunlop tyres! So if your car was a Fixed Head Saloon, the vendor may possibly be correct. They just had a smokers hatch in the centre of the roof. Very very rare survivor if it is as these were the basic Company cars for businesses. 
There were 2 thirties original photos on eBay recently showing a fairly new fixed head saloon with a 33/34 wider body, smokers hatch, with no front bumper and the early wheels. The ATDC has a good library of original brochures if you join.
(I do not have Brochures for the Lichfield model after July 1934 which has the cowled radiator.)
Bumpers were not offered as an extra in any brochure that I have ever seen.
Phil

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#5 2017-01-13 15:50:56

3004_Roy_Reed
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Just to add confusion to you .I have both a chrome rad and an early Lichfield with  bumpers and leather (no sun visor) Fixed heads which are definitely original .I guess at extra cost.I know the lichfield was originally purchased by a farmer new , and you know farmers are a bit careful !!
Roy

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#6 2017-01-14 19:38:23

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

594_Phil_Taylor wrote:

David,
There is nothing like a pedant!! That's me. Sorry, Peter.
Phil

Phil
I am always prepared to learn!
Peter

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#7 2017-01-15 14:34:50

6515_Peter_Christie
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Peter,

Here I am being pedantic again!

Quoting from the Austin Publication Number 1428A, issued in November 1936, Brochure for the Austin Ten, Twelve & Fourteen models.
"Full width bumpers are fitted front and rear (except on the lower priced models), and blank number plates, spare wheel and tyre and a comprehensive set of tools are provided."
There is no doubt that the 'Fleet' or Commercial Traveller cars were supplied with black headlamps, no bumpers and cheaper trim. I would imagine that such 'company cars' would be more likely to be less valued and harder used than the de Luxe examples, which is likely to be the reason why fewer survive.

Regards,

Peter C. [6515]

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#8 2017-01-16 13:06:12

David
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Thanks all for the information on bumpers. This car has chrome headlights, chrome radiator and leather trim, complete with "smokers" hatch.

The hubcaps appear to be much smaller than others I have seen on web pictures, only about 4 inches in diameter ? Are they correct ?

Thank you.

#9 2017-01-16 13:38:14

691_Richard_Ridlington
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Hi David,

That seems a little small for a 10.
My 1933 Chrome rad they are 6 1/2" in diameter. They completely cover the hub. A 4" would obviously not.
On a 7 the wheel nuts are exposed with a small cap in the centre.
Either the wheels have been changed or is it possible that the seller thinks he has a 10 when in fact it is possibly a 7

Do you have any other details of engine size etc. to make sure ?

Regards,

Richard.

Is the car on eBay or elsewhere so we can see a photograph of it ?

Last edited by 691_Richard_Ridlington (2017-01-16 13:44:56)

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#10 2017-01-16 14:33:17

3843_Geoff_Jones
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

691_Richard_Ridlington wrote:

Either the wheels have been changed or is it possible that the seller thinks he has a 10 when in fact it is possibly a 7

...or it's a 1932 Ten, which had smaller hub caps.

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#11 2017-01-16 14:45:34

david
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Richard,

I have a photo of the car and the wheel. How do I send that to you? Can I have your email address ?

Engine size is 1181 cc

1st Registered 1st January 1934

#12 2017-01-16 14:59:49

691_Richard_Ridlington
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Hi David,

The engine size sounds correct for a 10.

My email is: rmridlington@aol.com

Regards,

Richard.

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#13 2017-01-16 16:42:35

2574_Stephen_Voller
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

As well as the smaller wheel centre the early chrome rad 10's had 19'' wheels.

Steve V.

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#14 2017-01-16 18:37:32

David
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Richard,

Email sent....by the way I have checked the headlights again.They are black with a chrome rim.

David

#15 2017-01-17 13:08:15

david
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Steve,

I have seen the car again this morning. The tyres are
3.50/4.00 x 19 and the hub caps are 2.5" diameter?

Any clues?

#16 2017-01-17 15:08:31

David Johnson
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

This car sounds more like a standard model than the deluxe fitted with a sunshine roof. However, if so it could be also that it has been fitted with 19" wheels. It is very difficult to be entirely sure as after 83 years many changes and modifications may have taken place.

I have seen, back in the 1950's, Lichfield, deluxe models without sliding roofs which were in any case notoriously leaky as the car aged and fitted with either the ventilation hatch (called a smokers hatch) or just a simple plain roof.

In any case neither effects the performance of the car. The cost of fitting chrome bumpers would cause me to negotiate a reduced price. Even if you find a set on e-bay they can be expensive to have chrome plated.
I have seen polished stainless steel versions for sale by various suppliers who make a smaller version for the Austin 7 Ruby. However effective I know that that stainless steel will send the "pureists" spinning.

The question is "do you really like the car?" as if you eventually purchase any Austin 10 of this era you will inevitably learn some interesting skills in repair and restoration. That is part of the joy of ownership.

#17 2017-01-17 23:12:17

594_Phil_Taylor
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

David,
As per my comments on 17th Jan, this car now would seem to be completely right for a standard late 1933 to July 1934 Fixed Head chrome rad Saloon (other than the leather upholstery.) Companies who bought these cars could have asked for this on purchase. The smokers hatch is right, the wheels/tyres/hubcaps are right, the front lights are right. Putting a bumper on it would make it non-standard.
See photo on eBay no. 282313157093 - wide 1934 body, with semaphores which were only fitted for the 1934 models after Sept 33 to the end of July 34. (Austin 10/4 brochure 1052 says exactly the same as the other slightly later one from which I quoted.)
Cheers Phil

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#18 2017-01-18 09:21:15

David
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Thanks Phil and I take your point. However the vendor of the photo describes the car as 1930's.... so I assume that's anywhere between 1932 and 1934.

The car I am looking at was first registered on 1st January 1934. Yes, the photo is identical to the car I have been offered.

Regards.

David

#19 2017-01-18 16:42:15

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

David

It sounds as though it may be a genuine unspoilt car, and maybe something of a rarity.  If you like it go for it!

Peter W

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#20 2017-01-18 19:07:44

3843_Geoff_Jones
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

Really interesting photo...I like the look of the 10 without bumpers!

A few more questions that might help to confirm age (I'm still not convinced based on the small hub caps):

Can you get the chassis number?
Is the car 6v or 12v?
Does it have an electric fuel gauge, or a hobsons gauge?

Sounds an interesting car...

Geoff

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#21 2017-01-18 19:57:48

david
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

The car is  12 volt.

Chassis Number is G.28787

I will try to see the car at the weekend and see the
petrol gauge

#22 2017-01-19 01:23:17

3843_Geoff_Jones
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

According to the appendix of the technical reprints, that's November 1933. It should have the electronic fuel gauge.

My guess is the wheels are from an earlier model. I wouldn't let that put you off...

Good luck!

Geoff

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#23 2017-01-19 01:33:30

3843_Geoff_Jones
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

594_Phil_Taylor wrote:

See photo on eBay no. 282313157093 - wide 1934 body, with semaphores which were only fitted for the 1934 models after Sept 33 to the end of July 34. (Austin 10/4 brochure 1052 says exactly the same as the other slightly later one from which I quoted.)
Cheers Phil

This looks from the photo the same width as mine (early 1933, narrow body). I haven't yet had the pleasure of seeing a later model next to mine... How different are they? Can you reliably tell from the photo?

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#24 2017-01-19 11:34:34

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

594_Phil_Taylor wrote:

David,

The late Sept/Oct 1933 Austin 10/4 Brochure number 1061A, showing all the 1934 chrome radiator models up to August 1934, states that the Fixed Head 10/4 saloon (as opposed to the De Luxe Saloon) does not have 'bumpers front and rear', 'chromium plated dip and switch head lights', no sun visor, ' upholstered in leather cloth or wool rep.' (whatever that means!), no spare wheel cover and had 4.00-19 Dunlop tyres! So if your car was a Fixed Head Saloon, the vendor may possibly be correct. They just had a smokers hatch in the centre of the roof. Very very rare survivor if it is as these were the basic Company cars for businesses. 
Phil

David
From your description the car appears to fit the brochure quoted by Phil - in which case it is a rare survivor.

Chassis No G28787 implies made Nov/Dec 1933 which fits with 1st Reg on 1 Jan 34. De Luxe Tens at this date were being fitted with 12v fuel gauge and this required a new fuel tank with the drain plug on the left instead of in the middle. Typically Austin used up stocks of old parts so the change may not have been across all versions
Peter W

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#25 2017-01-19 12:17:28

3843_Geoff_Jones
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Re: 1934 Austin 10 bumpers

*Probably* unrelated, but did you call Alderton Austin Services yesterday pricing up some bumpers? I just happened to be there talking to Mark, when a call came in.

If the identification of the vehicle is correct, please don't add bumpers smile It's a rare vehicle, as pointed out by others...

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