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#1 2018-03-19 03:08:26

David
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Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

I see that the club no longer lists exhaust pipes/ systems for Austin Light 12/4 Ascot cars, Any idea where I could get one?

I have already tried "Austin of Old Ardley" and "Earlparts Exhausts" and others but nobody seems interested enough to want to help. I don't have the front pipe for a sample. I am just about to give up on this car as the motor factors seem to be just about the most unhelpful bunch I have ever come across.

#2 2018-03-19 09:28:56

691_Richard_Ridlington
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From: Prestwick/Ayr, Scotland
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi David,

Have you tried Vintage Austin Register ?   They cater for Austin 12's up but you need to be a member to be able to purchase spares.

Would it not be possible to have one made by a company who make stainless steel systems ?

Regards

Richard.

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#3 2018-03-19 11:28:25

6515_Peter_Christie
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

This is not the only model for which there is a difficulty in obtaining exhaust pipes.
Known to the Club there are at least 98 New Ascot series H/R cars and at least 55 similar but different H/RA series cars.
The exhaust down pipes for these two models are different but it would appear that there is no obvious source for either.
It seems that the many Ascot cars now have the same problem. Is it beyond the ability of our Spares Committee to ask around the trade and find some exhaust specialist who can make up these pipes, albeit, in limited quantities?
One (unsightly) solution is to get a friendly garage man to weld a length of 'flexy' exhaust tubing to your manifold end flange from your corroded pipe and to a bit of straight pipe to connect with the silencer, which is available from the club shop.
In my case I had to form a bandage by cutting a food tin and coat the affected area of my exhaust pipe with Gun Gum round which I secured the tin armour with two Jubilee clips.
I do not need to remind any of you that an exhaust leak is an MoT failure.

Good luck,

Peter C. [6515]

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#4 2018-03-19 16:13:57

9148_kenneth_stuart_ridings
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi try exhaust parts uk tel 01902 500 26 they do
not stock your exhaust but they have everything
to make one or repair it measure the length of pipe
you need diameter flexi if needed they have jointing
parts reducers , excuse the term but I am sure
you will find a back st garage to do it for you at
a good price as major garages don't want to know
give it a try good luck cheers

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#5 2018-03-19 20:30:20

6350_William_French
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi David
Give Alderton Austin Services a ring on 01242620220. I think they stock some exhaust parts but anything you buy off the self you are probably going to have to modify to make it fit.
regards from Bill French


You buy a car,  But you invest in an Austin

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#6 2018-03-19 22:05:17

7426_Steve_Fennell
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

I have exactly the same problem for my 1938 New Ascot. Mine is the HR variant and I cannot locate anyone who can supply me with an exhaust. Mine was a barn find and I only have the first 5 or 6 inches of the downpipe. The only person I have found who has convinced me they are able to make me the correct part is Collectors Car
Parts of Heathrow who were able to quote me the correct part numbers without prompting. Unfortunately I have been waiting on the promised exhaust for over 18 months now. Every time I have contacted Collectors Cars the chap informs he can’t find the patterns but knows he has them somewhere. I too contacted Earlpart and others but could get no positive response. I have just about given up on this now and think I will wait until the car is completed and then have one made to fit, probably in stainless so I don’t have to go through the same thing again later. There seem to plenty of companies able to make them but most need a pattern or the vehicle to work from. I think this is an area that could be developed further by the Spares committee as it obviously a problem that affects many members.

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#7 2018-03-20 10:26:18

8617_Mr_Syd_Smith
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

A word of caution on a stainless exhausts. It will sound different.

I have stainless on two of my cars, a Daimler V8 and Daimler Dart SP250, both sound very different to the original mild steel exhausts.

No problem for me I am not a purist but every spring when the emerge from hibernation I can hear the difference.

I am sure some will not like the change in exhaust note stainless steel will bring.

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#8 2018-03-20 17:46:03

9148_kenneth_stuart_ridings
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi have no fear ken is here got me to check my
exhaust after reading the post its just about ok
but I don't like being stuck ,
so I have just sent for the parts to make a new one
I can get a pipe bender and the parts for the price
some of the people charge ,
so once I have made it I will make a pattern and make
a couple of down pipes for the spares dept.
may take a couple of weeks will keep you posted on this
hopefully should be able to help some members
as well I love a challenge cheers

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#9 2018-03-20 18:50:44

6515_Peter_Christie
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi Ken,

If you can make them up then make one for me. However, I think you'd need to have an original top flange either to use or to copy. I've got a flange with about a foot of the curve still attached that you could use as a pattern. Series H/R (angled flange) only. The H/RA has the flange set horizontal.

Regards,

Peter C. [6515]

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#10 2018-03-20 20:14:20

9148_kenneth_stuart_ridings
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi Peter c no worries I will sort one for you as soon
as I have made mine I shall make one for you send me some pics where it goes on the manifold;
Take care cheers

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#11 2018-03-20 23:20:56

7426_Steve_Fennell
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi Kenneth

I woUld also be interested if you are able to make up an exhaust for the HR New Ascot. Mine also has the angled manifold flange.

PS many thanks for the template which arrived today.

Kind regards

Steve F.

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#12 2018-03-21 12:16:16

6515_Peter_Christie
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi Kenneth,

If you let me know when you have successfully made up your down pipe, and are in a position to have a go at one for me and one for Steve, I'll send you the flange with the short cut off curve still attached. The position of the flange  is important as it must match the three studs on the manifold flange and the curved section comes very near the radiator. Really, the ideal pattern would be a complete original down pipe if anyone has one available to be copied.

Regards,

Peter C. [6515]

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#13 2018-03-21 20:38:08

9148_kenneth_stuart_ridings
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi peter what part no/ from the club spares is your
exhaust to manifold gasket cheers

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#14 2018-03-21 20:45:27

7426_Steve_Fennell
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi Peter/Kenneth

I endorse Peters observations about the position of the flange and the tightness of curve required. The downpipe does come very close to the radiator indeed and these, I would say, are the criticL parts of any reproduction. It would certainly be preferable to have an original or successful replica to copy for this. Unfortunately all I have is the same as Peter, ie the flange and the first few inches.

Incidentally, and I have started a new thread under General Forum, it appears that Earlpart might be going to the wall. I don’t believe everything I see in Facebook by any stretch of the imagination but a Classic Car group member has published a screenshot of companies who have recently appointed liquidators and Earlpart are on there.

Kind regards

Steve F.

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#15 2018-04-17 20:47:05

David Johnson
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Member 7204. Is the club any further with the supply of exhaust pipes for the Light 12/4 Ascot? My car is a late model (July 1936) where the front pipe flows over the rear engine mount.

The rear pipe bends slightly towards the centre line of the chassis after the silencer but does not go over the rear axle

#16 2018-04-17 21:33:42

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

David
Please contact the Spares Secretary either using the officials list shown in the members area of this website or using the email shown on the ifc of every magazine.

You will need to give the chassis/body No and specify which July 1936 Ascot it is - the last of the old shape or the first of the new programme style (12hp New Ascot).

Regards
Peter W

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#17 2018-04-18 12:30:15

6515_Peter_Christie
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi to all interested,
On the subject of Twelve H.P. exhaust systems, I note that our Stores catalogue no longer lists any exhaust parts for Twelves except for the silencer, of which there is ONE in stock. When some member buys that part will the club even have a pattern for re-manufacture? It seems that the same applies to the down pipes and tail pipes that used to be listed. It would appear that the stock has been sold and that no patterns were retained for replacement.
I have not counted the number of Ascots either H/BW or H/BX series still in use by members but I do know there are  more than a hundred H/R Series and about sixty H/RA Series cars listed. As long as these cars are in use sometime each will need a replacement exhaust system as they all corrode and any gas leak is an MoT failure.
I applaud Kenneth Stuart Ridings for his efforts, but I do feel that our Spares Secretary in conjunction with the Treasurer and Chairman should have anticipated this problem and explored the difficulties in the supply chain long ago.
As a matter of interest, our companion Club, the V.A.R., lists 466 (Heavy) 12/4s as being members' cars. In their spares stock they list down pipes, tail pipes and silencers (two variants) for these cars - they are not cheap but they exist. To compare with ours, their membership is approximately six hundred and two.
Sorry to stray slightly but for Kenneth there is another possibility; Copper piping is much easier to handle and will not corrode in the same manner as mild steel. Half hard (R250) copper piping is available in 3 and 6 metre lengths in 42mm (Near enough 1 5/8") and 28mm (near enough 1 1/8") for down pipes and tail pipes respectively. I am aware that it would affect the sound quality but I once saw a complete exhaust system on an RR 20/25 made entirely in copper and it not only looked good but it was quiet.
Peter C [6515]

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#18 2018-04-18 21:47:30

2574_Stephen_Voller
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

I have a '35 Light 12/4 Ascot and I find the situation quite alarming, I'm in this club mainly for spares support plus latterly the forum.
(I may never get my 10/4 Lichfield on the road but I certainly want my 12 to remain roadworthy).

For me if the spares support is not there then whats the point of staying in the club?  sad

Steve V.

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#19 2018-04-19 14:11:45

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

6515_Peter_Christie wrote:

I note that our Stores catalogue no longer lists any exhaust parts for Twelves except for the silencer, of which there is ONE in stock. When some member buys that part will the club even have a pattern for re-manufacture? It seems that the same applies to the down pipes and tail pipes that used to be listed. It would appear that the stock has been sold and that no patterns were retained for replacement.

Patterns are not listed for sale.

Sometimes there are long lead times for items to be re-manufactured. 

The online stock list is updated "live" as products are sold so an item that does not appear one day may be available the next.

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#20 2018-04-19 14:17:22

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

6515_Peter_Christie wrote:

I have not counted the number of Ascots either H/BW or H/BX series still in use by members but I do know there are  more than a hundred H/R Series and about sixty H/RA Series cars listed. As long as these cars are in use sometime each will need a replacement exhaust system as they all corrode and any gas leak is an MoT failure.
[6515]

This illustrates the difficulties of providing a full range of spares for all cars (other than Sevens) in the Austin range 1931-39.

I am not an expert on the Lt12 but for Tens there are at least 4 different downpipes for the 4 chassis types (excluding Left Hand Drive models).

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#21 2018-04-19 14:34:37

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

6515_Peter_Christie wrote:

As long as these cars are in use sometime each will need a replacement exhaust system as they all corrode and any gas leak is an MoT failure.
[6515]

My 10/4 had a Club exhaust system before I got it on the road in 1973 and it has had the silencer and rear pipe replaced once since then, probably in the 1990s.

During the 1970s early '80s the 10/4 was my sole car and consequently as a hedge against need I held a complete replacement system at home. The front pipe of which I still have, unused. The silencer and rear pipe have been fitted to my 10hp Cambridge.

The Cambridge came with a bodged-together under-slung exhaust system which failed after a couple of years use. The gasket & flange of the replacement front pipe from the Club required modification only because of changes that had been made to the car during its life.

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#22 2018-04-19 14:45:57

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

2574_Stephen_Voller wrote:

I have a '35 Light 12/4 Ascot and I find the situation quite alarming, I'm in this club mainly for spares support plus latterly the forum.
(I may never get my 10/4 Lichfield on the road but I certainly want my 12 to remain roadworthy).

Please do not allow yourself to be alarmed by gossip and rumour.  Read the regular reports in the magazine especially "The Road Ahead" by the Chairman, who has also been visiting local Regions to meet members around the country.  If you have any specific issues or concerns about spares contact the Spares Secretary.

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#23 2018-04-19 15:00:16

813_Peter_Winney
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

2574_Stephen_Voller wrote:

For me if the spares support is not there then whats the point of staying in the club?  sad

Steve V.

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#24 2018-04-19 16:30:47

7426_Steve_Fennell
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Last week I was away in the Cotswolds in the caravan and took the opportunity to drop into Alderton Austin’s. Unfortunately I chose the one day that Mark was out at an auction but I spoke to other staff about exhausts and they informed me that they make their own. I asked if they could make me one for my HR New Ascot and was told they could. I ordered a couple of other bits as well but I have heard nothing since. I will chase this up this week and if I get any feedback on the exhaust situation I will add it to this log.

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#25 2018-04-20 00:00:13

6515_Peter_Christie
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Re: Trying to find an exaust pipe for a Light 12/4 1935/ 36

Hi Peter W.,

My H/R series New Ascot appeared to have a sound (Club) exhaust system when I bought it in 2005. Within the last three months the down pipe has developed a corroded area which I have repaired as described above. More recently the tail pipe has developed a similar failure which I have temporarily repaired in the same way. The silencer still appears to be sound.
It would seem that I am only one of several Light Twelve series car owners (Members) now urgently seeking a down pipe and a tail pipe.
Am I wrong in suggesting that some assistance should be available from such a One Make Club?

With respect,

Peter C. [6515]

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